Maternal Wealth Podcast - Own Your Birth
The Maternal Wealth Podcast creates a collective space for sharing all birth-related stories. I want to acknowledge birth's uniqueness, honor its variations, and remind us of the power we hold in giving birth.
As a Labor and Delivery Nurse, I see the impact of our stories. Let's share those stories with those who come after us to prepare them for what's to come. For those who came before us, allowing them to reminisce and heal as we realize we were not alone in our experiences.
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Maternal Wealth Podcast - Own Your Birth
The Sacred Journey: Preparing for Motherhood Before Conception
What does motherhood truly look like before we even conceive? How can we prepare emotionally and spiritually for one of life's most profound transformations?
Midwife Audrey returns for the second installment of our powerful four-part series, diving deep into the conscious preparation for bringing new life into the world. Beyond nursery decor and baby registries lies the crucial inner work that shapes our journey as mothers.
We explore how our first models of motherhood form passively in childhood, creating templates that influence our expectations. When the time comes to consciously create life, we have the opportunity to intentionally craft our motherhood experience, learning from the past while forging new paths.
The conversation takes a vulnerable turn as we discuss the expectation versus reality of maternal bonding. Many women anticipate an instant connection at birth, only to discover that motherhood unfolds on its own timeline – sometimes immediate, sometimes gradual, always valid. This frank discussion liberates mothers from unnecessary guilt and recognizes the uniquely individual nature of every mothering journey.
Perhaps most revolutionary is our examination of how modern society's emphasis on the nuclear family has isolated mothers and created unsustainable burdens. By reintegrating grandparents and extended family into our living arrangements, we rediscover the village that once made motherhood sustainable. This traditional model distributes childcare responsibilities, creates richer environments for children, and provides more fulfilling lives for elders.
In this episode, Midwife Audrey tenderly addresses motherhood after loss and the complex experience of carrying rainbow babies. For women navigating pregnancy after miscarriage or stillbirth, healthcare providers who recognize both the clinical and emotional dimensions of their journey become essential companions.
Join us as we reimagine motherhood not as a burden that restricts freedom, but as a profound, multidimensional journey supported by community, ancestral wisdom, and authentic connection. Your path to motherhood deserves thoughtful anticipation – let's embark on this sacred journey together.
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Welcome to the Maternal Wealth Podcast, a space for all things related to maternal health, pregnancy and beyond. I'm your host, stephanie Terrio. I'm a labor and delivery nurse and a mother to three beautiful boys. Each week, we dive into inspiring stories and expert insights to remind us of the power that you hold in childbirth and motherhood. We're here to explore the joys, the challenges and the complexities of maternal health. Every mother's journey is unique and every story deserves to be told. Please note that this podcast is for entertainment purposes only. It is not intended to replace professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with your healthcare provider for medical guidance that is tailored to your specific needs. Are you ready? Let's get into it. Welcome back to the Maternal Wealth Podcast.
Speaker 1:This episode is series two of the four-part series with midwife Audrey. To recap, she wrote Can you feel the shift? Women, mothers and birthing people are eager for change and ready to take their power back and walk in their sovereignty. Join us for this four-part series of powerful and enlightening conversation that will arm you with the knowledge of your options about conscious procreation, birth empowerment, family wellness all of this and more with conversations with midwife Audrey. Series two anticipation Today we'll have conversations about trying to conceive, preparation and space to create a baby, including rainbow babies, and conceiving after a loss. I hope you enjoy the conversation as much as I did. What are we anticipating Motherhood? It's something that we don't talk about much among our community. What does motherhood look like? How are we preparing for motherhood beyond the materialistic things?
Speaker 2:Thank, you for having me back. I'm really excited to get into this awesome conversation. How can we?
Speaker 1:start preparing for what motherhood will look like, even before we're pregnant.
Speaker 2:One. It kind of happens passively when we're a kid, you know from the models that we see around us whether or not our parents had other babies and we were siblings, so we got to see what that modeling looked like. I remember for myself seeing pregnant bellies and seeing someone hold and nurse a baby. I would then mimic and kind of play around with that and I think that, without realizing, weighed into how I viewed what motherhood would likely be like for me, because it was what I saw.
Speaker 2:Now, after being a mother and seeing all the different types of mothering that there is to that each and every one of us embody, I've come to see so many different examples and so many different types of mothering. That then has expanded my perspective on motherhood and what that could look like and be like for myself. So I think for many of us it starts passively just through seeing what is represented in our communities. And if there's a lack of motherhood represented in our communities, I think then it kind of leaves a more emptier template for what that could be. And then should we then think about consciously creating a human being? Then that's where I think the intentional thought of what motherhood can look like. That's when we start drawing on our past exposures and what we grew up seeing and also start doing some research, hopefully, about what are some best practices and what are some things that you know, just learning up more about it so that we don't tend to repeat the issues of the past.
Speaker 1:In your practice with your patients prenatally? Do you have these conversations during your visits, talking about motherhood, what motherhood looks like for them, what they're expecting from motherhood?
Speaker 2:Briefly, sometimes in the clinical space it tends to be more so about pregnancy education, but yes, especially at some point in the third trimester, having a discussion of the realities of what a little being needs and thereby what you will undoubtedly be doing.
Speaker 2:But within that, how do you want to be doing that? What are the things that will help you do that the best? Sometimes we can get so hyper-focused, you know, especially when we're going in for our appointments with our provider, and we're so focused about the pregnancy and growing of the baby, and growing of the baby versus like, oh my goodness, once this being is out, I will be being with this being, you know, so that we don't tend to give a lot of thought about. And so I do like to center people's thought process in terms of okay, imagine those days with them. These are the type of supports you're going to need because, realistically, this is the time and the way bonding will likely look like for you, and so I think that then starts to give them the opportunity to think about like, oh wow, oh yeah, that makes sense, I didn't think about that and start preparing. You know otherwise.
Speaker 1:Talking about motherhood, speaking from personal experience. When I gave birth to my first son I believe this is a common experience I expected, when he came out, that I would feel like a mother, just like that, and that didn't happen. Do you think that that's a common experience? Didn't happen. Do you think that that's a common experience? And what advice would you have for women who don't feel that immediate bond or feel that immediate motherhood? Quote unquote.
Speaker 2:when the baby is born, yeah, that is a really, really great question. Motherhood is so, so highly subjective, but yet entirely and utterly universal. Every single human being that exists either has been a mother or came from a mother. Each and every human being comes from one right or comes from the womb. So that connection, and when that bond and connection happens, is highly dynamic for each pair and for different reasons, and I know for my own experience. I can totally relate and resonate with what you're saying too, in terms of like okay, so now what? They're beautiful, I love them, you know.
Speaker 2:But it was a lot of other feelings that was dominating the space. So I think that, judging it in terms of right or wrong, becoming a mother should feel like this and the bond should be X, y, z. That's where we sometimes put the pressure on ourselves and that's where then the conversation starts with thinking something is wrong or feeling bad because now we've put an expectation on it. Motherhood is like this incredible beginning, this great unfolding of just so many things where that's expected, like okay, it's a human being that's going to eat, it's going to poo, it's going to various other things, but also so many unexpected things, usually from our side of perspective, because, again, we had an idea or expectation or in some way you know, just didn't know that we would develop or experience what we experienced on the journey of motherhood and in that is kind of like the development or a blossoming of a rose bush which is both the bush and the rose itself. And so when we're pregnant it's kind of that same notion where it's one being in the one body, but once they're born now it's two beings still occupying the same kind of like energetic field in space, same kind of like energetic field in space.
Speaker 2:And so the heart and the brain sensation of my baby, that connectedness is anywhere in the spectrum from this child doesn't even exist yet.
Speaker 2:They're just a being, an energy in your thoughts that you then bring into fruition all the way to it's been a few months and they look at you and smile a certain way or have some kind of reaction, and then all of a sudden you have this like universe shifting connection.
Speaker 2:You're like, oh my gosh, almost like a delayed response kind of thing. So long as we understand that there are certain things that can disrupt connection and bonding, or things that you know, environments that you know make it either impossible or very difficult, if we are in essence prepared for those and there's proper support, either with like postpartum doulas, family members, and whatever the case is, then the bonding will happen on its own time, whenever that time is the same as the baby latching for the first time, same as, eventually, when we say our first word or take our first walk. These are things that happen on a spectrum or continuum on its own timing and we know for a fact that there are certain things that disrupt that bonding and so if we mitigate that, then the bonding, however it happens, whenever it happens. So long as we encourage and facilitate it, it will happen.
Speaker 1:And it's a universe changing, shifting moment when you just connect with this being on such a conscious, visceral way. What does motherhood look like for mothers who don't have their children, mothers who lost their children either by termination, whether it's electively or spontaneous. Mothers who don't have their children due to a fetal demise or stillborn. Mothers who've lost their children once they have been alive and their children have passed on? It's a heavy topic and one that we don't talk about much.
Speaker 2:Very, very good question. It is so, so dynamically different and each and every one deserves space to be experienced. In every single scenario you mentioned it's still one that changes you mind, body and spirit, and so how that transformation looks like, there are certain things that we can kind of like, expect on a spectrum kind of like oh okay, joy, happiness, grief, you know, anxiety, like you know, these are all emotions that every single human being has experienced, and when you have a child it's like a built-in empathy or compassion to vaguely understand. But the true knowing of that experience can only be known by the person who's experiencing it, which is literally life-changing. It changes With every baby that we carry. A part of their genetics will forever be within our bodies and so we literally carry all our children with us, whether they be still alive or have passed in utero or have passed outside of the womb. Like, however that happens, that connection is forevermore.
Speaker 2:Motherhood, I truly believe, is a path, and on that path and continuum there are just different twists, turns and experiences on that, and so really I can't speak to the experience of like what that looks like in women in general, but I can imagine and empathize with some of the experiences.
Speaker 2:But I think what is so incredible about women and motherhood in general is that we have mitochondrial DNA which is only specifically it's like the DNA marker of our mothers and our grandmothers and our grandmothers and mothers and so on and so forth, all the way to the beginning of human time.
Speaker 2:We're starting to understand a little bit more and more that even in our DNA, which is, in essence, information our experiences, in our emotions and the type of experiences we live in our lifetime, if they are impactful enough, they will be recorded. That's something where we all know, without maybe consciously knowing, but when we can be there for each other through every experience of motherhood, it then reinforces the being able to cope with all the different ways motherhood looks, whether it be joy all the way down to grief and sadness experience, the multidimensional of all kinds of experiences that there is to have on this. But motherhood looks different on each person and I think that's a beautiful thing, because we're all different people, and what's even more beautiful is that we're all human. The spectrum of humaning and motherhood is only so big too, but yet infinitely diverse. So, yeah, I think we're open to what motherhood can look like and feel like for us, especially if we are consciously, intentionally trying to build a particular experience, then that's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 1:And humanity is only going to be better for it. Even though our children aren't physically present with us, our children never truly leave us, and I think that's an experience that we can't explain, but, as it's said, it's an experience that's understood. Would you agree with that? Agree with that? We pause this episode for a quick message from our sponsor.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes it's a knowing and you don't need to have the words to know it, and you don't necessarily need to have lived that experience to also have it felt and resonate internally, because it is a part of us, in the thread of the very fabric of what we are, in our DNA, literally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Speaking of people who don't leave us. You mentioned earlier a little bit about the influence of generational motherhood, our ancestors, our grandmothers. So much in society have the emphasis on the nuclear family, the mother, the father, the children, the parents. I wish we had more emphasis on keeping the greater family together the grandparents, the grandmothers, the importance to establish that relationship and to integrate those relationships with the new coming children and having that dynamic back in the homes. I think if we honor that and recognize the importance of that in society, set up systems to support having the grandparents housed, I think the transition and how motherhood looks for women today would be much different for women today would be much different, absolutely.
Speaker 2:You know right now the attitudes towards motherhood in the upcoming generation and we touched on this in the last episode largely looked at negatively, like oh geez, that's so much work, I'm going to lose a loss of myself. I'm going to lose ability to do what I want when I want an element of autonomy. There's just going to be all these extra added pressures. It seems like such a headache. Why would I want to change my let's say, the freedom and the excitement and the self-reliance, why would I change that? To then like for ball and chain is almost what the attitude is like for the younger up-and-coming generation who are not yet childbearing, and that's largely because their representation of motherhood and mothering in their world is one in which women are overworked and the maternal load on them is ridiculous and we lack support structures and systems and all these other things. So it totally makes sense and it's understandable. Yet this is a creation that we have created because of the cultural norms we have adopted. So it's almost like, well, if we just kind of change your ideologies a bit and our social ways of how we integrate, or lack of integration of mothers in just everyday life and having support systems for that, then it would look totally different. And one of the major core components of that is the intergenerational family. You're absolutely right, like normalizing homes that have grandparents and taking it a step further, great grandparents, that's one where that model, which is not you see, well, this is actually more in alignment for longevity of life for many people into your old age. This helps spread the effort and how much work it takes to live the same standard and quality of life for each person, so then thereby they have actually a little bit more resources and time and other things to enjoy life in other ways. When we actually look at it, we're like that has a better receipt than the nuclear family thing, than we're doing over here in America, which is the normalized perspective.
Speaker 2:But really, when we look at humanity over the last 100 years and then last 200 years, we can see how things have changed and kind of have evolved to what it is now and we can see what we have to show for it. And so the nuclear family was really something that became big during the time of, like, the industrial revolution and then, you know, starting to like work in factories and now we're building homes and now in order to continue to have homes to sell. It's this whole idea of keeping up with the Joneses and where we started to go from like a community and relying on each other and having interdependence and villages, to now self-reliance or rugged individualism, kind of this whole pick yourself up by your own bootstraps, which is like what this exponential growth didn't happen because one person decided to go to school, get a good job and then make X, y, xyz money and then boom, they're living this way. If we can actually realize to what degree each and every human being has been colonized in this perspective, then we can start to look at things rationally and see, well, actually it's not helping us thrive in all these other ways, which is having a largely negative impact in just how we're living.
Speaker 2:And if we realize that our North Pole is each and every one of us being able to live a high quality of life, where we have all the things we need and we have the ability to reach our highest potential, naturally that's not the direction we'd be going in, because we would just be doing the things that worked better, which then starts to be building back that community which first starts with having the structure and support of grandparents and in some homes, aunties and uncles and great grandparents and whatever social group, or maybe even in your neighborhood, and then hopefully expanded out even further city and then expanded out even further state and then the whole world. That's a beautiful model. That's a model where we would see wellness across the planet that we can't even imagine what that kind of world would look like, because it would just be so much better than this If we can be able to get back to that core structure that you mentioned. That is the start.
Speaker 1:Speaking of motherhood and birth, I find that so many times societies focus on differences, the difference of how people look, how people live, how people speak. And if we bring it back to motherhood and birth and how women we are so connected and it's the one commonality that we have that we can connect to each other and have common understanding is in giving birth. It's a universal event that we can just look at each other and be able to communicate and understand one another.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 90% of communication, they say, is nonverbal, right, and so sometimes I think we have forgotten that we're more than like the roles that we're doing and running around and so on and so forth. And so when we can be present within our bodies, and present consciously, that's when you it's almost like telepathy you can look, you can look at another woman. Here's an example You're at the park and this child falls and you literally hear and feel it and the mother runs up to go grab her baby. I bet you, all the other mothers around there probably would have a similar level and stress, cortisol levels, if we were to draw everyone's blood right then and there.
Speaker 2:Because we all have a shared experience where, like it's a knowing, like I know, feel that in my gut, even though it's not my kid, you know, quite often when we speak about it and share it with each other, it's like you too, you know many of us, like it's not something you choose, it's just something that is because you're part of this thread of motherhood, like your nipples tingling or lactating, all because you hurt a newborn and it's not even your newborn. That's the incredible invisible thread that I think weaves humanity together and is part of that protective mesh, and so that's just really cool that humans are set up this way. That's part of our socialization. I think in a lot of ways we've forgotten or it doesn't really have a space and place of value in our culture just yet, but that's definitely part of how we communicate without even having to communicate. It's just that knowing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:In today's society, so much of the preparation of a newborn is put into materialistic things the baby shower, the materials that we need, the physical space that we need. Yes, those things are important, but how and why should we start changing our focus in creating, as opposed to the physical space, creating more of a emotional, spiritual space for this newborn coming into our lives?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is going to look wildly different for each person, but it's definitely going to consist of the same component parts, which is dedicated time, you know, and how that dedicated time is spent. For one person, it can be journaling. For one person it can be praying or meditating. For someone else, it can be going out to their favorite spot and just touching their womb and breathing deep and connecting that way. Each and every one of us have a different way that we have the ability to make the space, different way that we have the ability to make the space, but it's going to take the same building blocks for each of us, which is the intention and the dedicated time to put our whole being, our mind, body and spirit, to that intention of exploring that question and exploring what it feels like within us.
Speaker 1:One of the topics we have is exploring the experience of motherhood without a partner.
Speaker 2:So women who are going into motherhood either by choice or not by choice, without a partner- If there is or isn't a partner, is having a village, is having a village, and usually the inner circle of that village is your parents, the grandparents and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2:And then it's your people you've made connections with across your family lines and that's where really we could still see that the bond of these two beings and that their capacity for growing in a healthy way can still be possible. Partners are in fact in many, many ways absolutely necessary, but they're especially necessary in the connected human emotional ways. But when it comes down to is this mother going to be able to survive, is this baby going to be able to survive, we have a huge odds and huge chances of increased survival and thriving for each mother and baby if they had a village. So I think that really speaks to the need of reinforcing our I guess you can say our nuclear family so that if something should happen to the partner or let's say, there are people who are unpartnered, we still have a healthy, thriving humanity that can grow.
Speaker 1:Talking about conception, pregnancy after a loss, with your patients within your community. How can we help support women who are pregnant with a child after a loss? How does motherhood look for women who are pregnant after a loss?
Speaker 2:That path within. It is kind of like a Holt'sity within it, where there tends to be addition and subtraction that you're holding within your experience On the one hand, the heights of joy and on the other hand, the dips of despair, and sometimes it's hard to even allow oneself to feel either. And so sometimes we'll see some moms just kind of like stay in the middle those of us on the outside surrounding her. Truly, the only way to know is to ask what it is that they need from us, because it looks different on each person, and what they need, and from who and how, is also different. So one of the greatest gifts sometimes we can do is being available, but being available to help the way they need us to help.
Speaker 2:Now, that's on top of the basic understanding that they're going to need food. They're going to need food, they're going to need financial support, they're going to need time and space, and so if in any arena, you're able to facilitate that, a conversation doesn't have to be had just to make sure that that thing happens, but anything past that can really be then the targeted tool that person going through that experience could utilize to help them transform and continue to integrate the experience. I don't think we ever are just like ah over it. It's a process. Just like I said earlier, motherhood is a path. It's just an ongoing process throughout our whole entire lifetimes that takes various twists and turns and looks different for each and every one of us. But, especially after a loss of a child, there are certain things that we can know without knowing, from an empathetic standpoint, and can provide support and compassion, which looks a little different but also looks the same.
Speaker 1:Speaking from a midwifery model of care, do you find or do you believe that women will receive a different kind of prenatal care with a midwife as opposed to an OB coming from?
Speaker 2:this loss. So there's the clinical side and then there's the relational side. Whenever someone has gone through a fetal loss, there is the medical aspect of determining the cause and then being able to mitigate that come the next pregnancy. And so that's where midwifery looks at risk factors, looking at do you have a previous history of having had a miscarriage or stillbirth? Okay, what was the cause of that? Your hormones were low? Okay, great, so maybe going into the next pregnancy, that's something we're going to additionally look after from the beginning and maybe go a little bit further than the standard of care of just basic lab work on your initial appointment. Now let's monitor and make sure that the processes that maybe had not happened efficiently or correctly the first time around, let's make sure that they are happening as they should. Recommendations or oversee maybe a complication or a potential risk of a complication, because we've had that complication in the last pregnancy. So from a clinical standpoint, that's what that looks like with a midwife, and the end goal is to get to a healthy, developed baby with a low-risk pregnancy that was healthy and well, barring the need for any additional outside help or anything like that. And if that is needed, then that's where collaborations with hospitals and maternity care.
Speaker 2:Specialized maternity care providers.
Speaker 2:Like maternal fetal medicine, is key and can address all of that clinically. Now on a relational component, I know that when I'm seeing a client who has experienced a loss of a child or a fetal loss in pregnancy, those appointments have a different kind of level of care and empathy, that one that is conscious to be aware of their healing wounds and being able to have a holistic approach that still helps them heal and integrate that while growing another human being and creating the space for those emotions and for those anxieties and worries and all of that. So it is such a dynamic and yet dualistic experience to be carrying a rainbow child. I have learned so much as a mother and a midwife, especially serving clients who have been in this experience, and I've also learned so much too in terms of the being in the moment and loving and accepting each and every little joy that happens, because it can be so fleeting. Especially they would be aware of how quickly things can change, and so to learn certain lessons through their experience is also beautiful and tragic at the same time.
Speaker 1:We're talking about anticipating motherhood, so it's not just from null of the primate so someone who's never had a baby to having a baby. We can also take time to anticipate a new motherhood, from going from one child, from two children to three children. I think it's important to take that time to recognize the loss of having just one child to your second, because it's a transition. Every time you're pregnant, every time you deliver, it's a transition into a new you. When you and I originally started chatting and you came up with having a four part series, why did you want to speak to anticipating motherhood? Why is this topic so important for you and something that you think that other women should take a moment and prepare for?
Speaker 2:Well, one. I felt that, you know, the discussion of motherhood was just too too big to do one episode justice, and so, you know, I was like, oh, let's make plenty of space and room. And this is, you know, coming from my experience as a mother and a midwife, you know. So I kind of have the gift of hindsight, being 2020. And also, should I have been able to have done this again, what is it that I wish that I had as a resource? Or what are the things that I've seen that, because this was represented or talked about for this person, I see how it impacts them on this part. Or, oh, the lack of that discussion of representation. Look at what this looks like, so dynamic and so different for each and every single person, and yet we're all human, so the spectrum of that is only so many. And getting to, you know, at this point, serve thousands of clients, and getting to see what that looks like in front of me, both in a clinical perspective and a relational perspective, is what has weighed into why I thought it was so important to especially talk and highlight this as its own series, and there's a saying that if we know better, we can do better.
Speaker 2:I think, when it comes to making a human being, we don't have the thought of making a human being with the intention of like being, like pardon my French but like half-assed, and with the intention of just screwing it up. We're like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I've created another human being. So already, like our aspirations in the version that shows up is always the best version of ourself, whether or not we know it or not. Right, but when we literally also know better, then we can do better, even if our best that we had done could be better, and that's only hindsight. So if we can talk about it and anticipate it and all of those things, then it really just gives more resources and tools and increases the probability of us being able to actually more reliably strive and reach our goal, which is a healthy, happy being who is a good addition to society and humanity in general.
Speaker 2:I think that's what we all strive for in one way or another. When we have a human being, it's like I just want them to, we want the best for them, we want them to feel well. Like it hurts our hearts and sometimes our physical being when our babies are sick or when they have a runny nose or this or that like that doesn't ever change, no matter how old they are, and so I just know that that is kind of the North star of every mother. I just know that that is kind of the North Star of every mother. So then if we can then learn more information that helps us align with that, so we could actually reach that goal, then we would. Now it's like we should be speaking more with each other and discussing our pitfalls and sharing best practices so that we can increase like the probability that we can continue to hit that margin for our children, which is the highest quality of life possible.
Speaker 1:Is there anything else you'd like to go over for Anticipating Motherhood?
Speaker 2:No, that was great. Yeah, no, that was. That was really good. I think the energy of it was good. It was fun. It's cool to. It'll be cool to hear the sound bites we talked about some heavy things too.
Speaker 1:So there's weight to the conversation, which is really good, because I think topics that we need to talk about.
Speaker 2:Well, frankly, to not talk about it is to do no different than I guess you can say colonizers, right, by being like that's not important. We could just leave that out of the picture, you know, and just like know that it's a part of the human experience and just allow it to have the space in place for it to just be the whatever it is is the whole point is what I've come to realize. Like I got it. Our judgment of it is what creates the issue, the wound, the then legislation, the this or that. Like just let it be human, and we all know humans need XYZ to thrive. Like that's it, that's it.
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